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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 05:13:17 PM »

kaberle7,

How fortunate you were to be blessed to work for and with such a wonderful person and veterinarian as your Dr. James Von Gerpen.  I'm certain it is every vet tech's dream to work for a veterinarian such as Dr. Von Gerpen and to be in an environment where one is encouraged to learn, is utilized, supported and appreciated.  Next time you talk to him, tell him for me that he needs to hold seminars for veterinarians and practice managers Grin.  Also, kudos to Mrs. Von Gerpen for her care and graciousness.  May their tribe increase in the veterinary field and in the world.  Thank you for sharing such a heart warming story.  I needed the uplift…especially after these last couple of weeks.

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2007, 04:52:48 PM »

I have a few moments to catch my breath...well here goes my story to which I was referring.  I had been at the practice where I work for about nine months the week before Christmas.  It's a 1 doc practice that has been opened about 2 years.  There is a girl who teched for the doc I now work for.  He trained her himself and he is real partial to her, which in a way, I understand.  I was the doc’s client for several years (with my 4 dogs) before I worked for him so I knew her.  She quit working for him over a year ago to complete RN school.  She had some time in between nursing school and beginning her new job at a hospital so she was asked to come back and help with inventory and fill in teching or wherever needed.  I welcomed her help anytime and treated her with courtesy and respect.  The Thursday before Christmas, she was in to mainly do inventory.  I asked her to come back and help me draw blood and prepare for a morning procedure.  I wanted to be nice and didn’t want her to feel left out.  She was helping me then proceeded to take over when the doc arrived.  As it ended up, she helped the doc with the whole thing (I was really looking forward to this procedure) and he didn’t bother to speak up and tell her that I was scheduled to assist him (although she knew this).  I was afraid to speak up as the doc and his wife just love her and I wasn’t sure where our manager stood.  I felt like I had no where to go.  The doc has always made a big deal that the regularly “scheduled tech” directly assists him (yes, we only have 1 tech at a time scheduled) and if another tech is there they are to be cleaning instruments, refilling, restocking, etc.  He has made this clear to me numerous times as has the manager.  Also, it has been preached about wanting to be “fair and equal”.  I’m wondering… fair and equal to whom?  Supposedly, the doc's in charge and makes the decisions in the back.  I was so hurt and disappointed that he chose not to speak up for me professionally.  I felt like I had been kicked to the curb Cry.  I don’t care if they’re friends outside the clinic, that’s none of my business.  But I feel he has a responsibility to treat his current employees with respect and value. I did, finally, 2 weeks later, confront the doc with the manager present.  The doc knew he had upset me but has never once apologized.  It’s like he doesn’t even care about the rest of us when it comes to her.

I had noticed on the schedule that there were 2 dentals the day after Christmas.  The day this situation happened I discovered the dentals were her mother’s dogs and she was doing the dentals that day.  The doc had not even shown me the respect or courtesy to let me know even though I was the “scheduled tech” for that morning.  We also had a surgery scheduled for that morning.  As it ended up, someone (maybe the manager, I do know it wasn’t the doc) did go to bat for the situation and she was told that morning that after her dog dentals I would be teching the rest of the time. 

This girl also took over another tech’s responsibilities as well as a kennel assistant.  When she worked there it wasn’t as busy and she came in and did the kennel and teched.  She was just coming in and picking up where she left off and the doc wouldn’t speak up for his current employees.  I have busted my butt for this doc and his practice and other employees there have, as well.  Ironically, she came in yesterday morning as we were very busy with surgery and hospitalized patients but she must have got the message because she did assist me but did not try to take over.  I don’t mind working with her and we got along fine. 

I guess it ended up well.  But I’m still hurt and feel devalued and disrespected by the doc.  I have had so much respect and admiration for him but this really disappointed me.  We have some employee grumbling because of this type of playing favorites behavior with current employees.  I don’t think he realizes what he’s doing or how it affects his employees.  He is great to work with.  He is patient and polite in day to day dealings.  He’s an excellent vet, very skilled and educated, hands down.  He has agreed to be my preceptor in a DEVTP program in which I began my first course yesterday.  I really do love my work there and want to stay.  The doc's wife is really nice as are the manager and his wife, who is the receptionist.   I suppose in time it will feel better but sometimes I don't know what to think or do.  Am I just spinning my wheels and being hopeful Huh

Sorry this was soooooooo long.  Thanks for lending me your ears and your shoulders.  Well, life is still lovely…on to brighter days… Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2007, 05:32:33 PM »

Hi Supervettech,
This is a situation that can be very upsetting as well as annoying. If you don't get anywhere with the Doc in this situation yet you get along with the girl herself maybe you could speak with her privately? I am confused about the "tech of the day" situation. Why isn't there a single tech working at all times? We only had one tech and one vet- and I was the tech.
Are any of these techs licensed?
I hope what ever happens you can find a happy medium to your situation. I was in a very stressful situation after my last boss bought the practice. She wanted to be the 'do it all vet' and that meant doing my job as well as hers. It was really frustrating and upsetting-so much so I almost quit. I had been there for 17 years at that point and I ran the whole practice with my boss and his wife. This new vet didn't care and she proceeded to take over everything I did and take away my other taks and give them to unqualified staff who almost killed pets giving out incorrect meds and things.
I tried to talk to her myself and it was to no avail as she told me that her dad had wanted a boy and so she did all the things a man should do. (she looked like one too.). There was nothing I could do and she even had a 'pet' of an assistant that was totally unqualified to do anything other than clean cages.
I finally gave up and just let her do her thing knowing she was on the path to total burnout and guess what- she hit bottom and finally started letting me do my job again. Not only that, but after her 'pet' verbally attacked me and I let her know this, calmly and after hours, she got rid of the girl and started treating me with a lot more respect.
So I guess I am trying to tell you that all is not hopeless yet. I would really try and talk to the vet alone and after hours by letting him know you need to speak to him privately after work. Be clear and concise about what you want and try really hard not to get emotional. Make sure you let him know -first-how much you look forward to working with him and your job and how disappiointing it is for you when someone else gets to do your anticipated work.
I hope this helps for you and good luck!
Please keep us informed about what happens.
We have your back girl!
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 01:40:05 PM »

We now have two techs, including me and not counting the temp girl I was talking about.  The third "tech" just resigned yesterday evening before she was going to be fired today.  Fortunately, the temp girl is gone and has started her RN job.  The last week she was there she stayed out of my way and just assisted me and did not try to take over.  Our manager had told me in front of the doc that if she tried to take over my job again to get him and he would stop her.  The doc has not been very friendly toward me since all this occurred.  There are no licensed techs.  I’m the only one that has had any kind of formal education, training, or experience (see italisized paragraph below).  It seems the doc prefers taking people off the street and training them himself.  He thinks anybody with a pulse can come in and do the job.  It costs us in time and everything else.  The girl he hired after me is also our groomer and he bragged to some other staff members in front of me that he was glad she wasn’t a trained tech.  Sometimes I wonder if he’s threatened by a tech with education and training.  The doc has agreed to be my preceptor in a DEVTP but I just don’t know how long that will last.  He just doesn’t seem to value trained and educated personnel.  I’m the only one in the practice besides him that has had any experience or training in veterinary medicine.  We don’t have regular staff meetings.  I want to help facilitate some in-house training but it falls on deaf ears.  He has been in business two years but if things don’t change, he won’t last.  He insists on invoicing and giving almost everyone who walks through the door discounts.  He gives some services away.  He fills prescriptions when the techs should be doing it.  I have to fight him to do fecals, nail trims and ear cleanings!  He takes (we get to help restrain) and develops all the radiographs.  He sometimes goes up front and puts clients in rooms and walks them out the door when they leave.  He is slow working and let’s people keep him talking about their personal lives forever.  We are constantly behind in our appointments and surgery schedule.  It is in my job description that a tech is responsible for client flow but when I try to direct him he ignores me and starts doing my job instead of going in a room that I have prepped to begin talking to the client.  He says that he has worked with country vets that didn’t use techs and in the suburban GP where he worked the techs, even if an RVT, were not even allowed to read fecals or prep for surgery!  He said he gets on autopilot and wants to change but sometimes I wonder…Last week he gave me permission to remind him when he tries to do my job to let me do it for him.  I’m going to see if that works this week.

The doc is real nice and a good vet but there is also a lot of personnel issues and he is causing some of them by gossiping about employees to other employees and playing favorites.  He makes policies and has the manager tell us these policies then, he changes it as he wants for his favorite employees.  Of course, it angers and frustrates the manager.  The manager is great and doesn’t take it out on the employees, though.  The doc won't listen to the advice of the manager or his own wife who does payroll and handles the finances for the clinic.  The manager and receptionist are ready to quit and there are days when I wonder how much more I'm willing to take.  It makes me sad because he was my vet for several years before I worked for him.  I want to see his practice succeed and I want to be a part of the process but I feel like I'm beating my head against a wall.  In a nice and humble way, on Monday morning, I'm talikng to the doc with the manager present about some of these issues.  I'll let you know how it goes.  Keep me in your thoughts.

Happy regards,
supervettech Smiley

A quick look at my background: I went to an accelerated vocational school in 1985.  We were taught all clinical and practical aspects that are in a 2 year program including anesthesia, surgical prep and assistance, nursing care, dentistry, laboratory procedures, etc.  All of the instructors were either DVMs or RVTs.  The RVTs that were my instructors said we received more practical hands-on learning than they did in the 2 year program, etc.  Now, I’m not knocking any credentialed techs and don’t claim to be one.  I’m starting a DEVTP program this semester to earn my credentials.  However, I am qualified, though not certified, to do this work.  I have worked in 3 gp’s and a surgical referral practice where the techs did nothing but anesthesia, surgical prep and assistance and radiography.  The state where I reside does not require technicians to be licensed, registered, or certified.  If there are non-credentialed techs and credentialed techs, the credentialed techs get the more challenging responsibilities.  There are certain things that credentialed techs can do without the vet standing by that non-credentialed techs cannot.  I make sure I always follow the state law and never overstep my boundaries.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2007, 07:24:24 PM »

Hi Supervettech,
Wow you have quite a situation going on there. What state is this that you live in? I can't believe that the Veterinary Medical Board there has no requirements for a licensed tech of some sort. You mentioned that there are laws for the credentialed ones so I wonder?
"  Sometimes I wonder if he’s threatened by a tech with education and training. " This is a given if what you are saying I am hearing correctly. My ex-boss was the same way. The proof is in the lack of trust, the lack of delegation and the attempt to try and do your job. The other issues, such as the 'favorite' tech game he plays, is about his own personal issues. You said he was your vet for several years before you worked for him- was he working with another vet as a colleague?

"He sometimes goes up front and puts clients in rooms and walks them out the door when they leave.  He is slow working and let’s people keep him talking about their personal lives forever."  This in itself isn't a bad trait and actually bonds the client to the practice- but it can bog down the schedule. Maybe he thinks its ok for him to make other clients wait just like he probably does at a doctor's office. Well it's not ok. You and I know that.

There isn't a lot you can do with this guy I am afraid. He is going to have to learn the hard way, as my boss did, that you cannot run a clinic for free. Discounts once and a while, but standardized ones, are fine. Maybe you can come up with a plan for things such as seniors get a 10% discount on vaccs or a dental or something.
But constantly giving away money doesn't bond a client, it just makes them laugh at you. Plus those are your benefits and raises going out the door.

As far as staff meetings, you can lead a horse to water.... you know the rest. All you can do is suggest, or put one together and post it on a board somewhere. I did a lot of lunch time ones so that we could eat and meet so to speak. It was well received except for one thing- most people in a vet practice are not there for life or don't consider it a career except the manager, vet and technician.
So they don't care about meeting, or safety hints, or how to grow the practice or anything that a serious career tech cares about. I made so little I am amazed now when I think about how much of myself I gave to this practice for 20 years.
What was my end? Four blown discs and being ripped off for three weeks of paid vacation. Nice eh?  Shocked

I guess the best thing I can tell you is to start looking at the want ads. I hate to say that but you deserve to be in a practice that actually CARES about its employees and the one you are in does not. Everything you said in your post is addressed in every edition of Firstline I read. Unfortunately, you cannot change your boss overnight. If you are willing to hang in there you may see somethings change- but then you might just be stressed 24/7 too. Life is too short to be miserable.

Take care and let us know how the talk goes.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 01:10:26 PM »

Jana,

I'm sorry I'm just now replying.  I feel like I've been through h#%l and back the last couple of weeks. Sad

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What state is this that you live in? I can't believe that the Veterinary Medical Board there has no requirements for a licensed tech of some sort. You mentioned that there are laws for the credentialed ones so I wonder?

I live in Texas.  Click the link for the TBVME and read the code for non-licensed staff.
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=22&pt=24&ch=573&rl=10

As far as my job, I resigned on February 5 and they hired a tech on Feb. 6 so that was my last day.  The straw that broke the camels back was when, on the Thursday before, I finally was able to speak with the manager.  He told me that the doc owned the practice and could change any policy whenever he wanted, for whomever he wanted and it was "nobodies d#% n business".  The doc or the manager never would address the issue of the doc talking behind my back.  They certainly didn't deny it but basically, their philosophy is, the doc doesn't have to follow his own policies and he has no accountability for his actions or speech.  I told them it created a hostile work environment and I wasn't going to work in that kind of environment.  The doc and manager always preached “fair and equal” for employees.  I have yet to see where that comes into play with their business philosophy mentioned above.  Also, I was tired of having to push the doc and battle him just to do my basic tech responsibilities.  The manager told me I lacked initiative and led me to believe that the doc wasn’t happy with me but the doc told me on my last day that wasn't true and that the manager told him it was he (the manager) and I that weren’t getting along.  I don't know who to believe.  When I was leaving that day, the manager said he wanted to find a tech that will really push the doc.  I told him I hoped that he could, for the sake of the practice.  I tried pushing him when I first came to work there because the doc said that's what he needed (I worked there 5 months before the manager came).  Then, the doc seemed to become resentful and withdrew.  But I'm not his mama, wife, or babysitter.  I shouldn't have to push the doc and fight to do my job everyday.  That’s insane. Roll Eyes

The manager and his wife felt the same way on some things because they had complained to me (“off the record”), were frustrated and, at times, wanted to quit.  But when push came to shove they backed down.  I thought the manager would stand up for what's right but he protected the doc and I was out there on my own.  I didn’t tell the doc or his wife things that were said to me in confidence by the manager and his wife, although I probably should have.  However, I won’t betray their confidence regardless of how they treat me.  Besides, it would make little difference in the situation.  The doc and his wife would believe them over me anyway.  They didn't even think enough of me to talk with me in the first place.

Also, I got reprimanded by the manager for not speaking to the other tech (who is the doc's pet).  However, for months I had spoken to her first and I was tired of always being the one to speak first.  She would walk right passed me and not say anything unless I spoke first.  I asked the manager to tell her to speak to me first sometimes, as well, and he said no (I suppose that's how their "fair and equal" works Wink).  In addition, the doc backpedaled on being my preceptor for my DEVTP.  He said he didn’t have time.  I had to drop the class I was in this semester.  I'm extremely disappointed in the doc and the whole situation.

We never had any OSHA training, there’s no emergency lighting, fire escape plans, etc.  While I was there, there was barely any entry training or on-going training for staff members except for a couple of lunches with drug reps.  Any suggestions I made were, for the most part, ignored.  I gave the manager a printed list of ideas and different things (including OSHA training for employees) that I was interested in helping implement and coordinate to improve the practice.  I never got a direct response to any of it.  I got an obligatory “thank you” but that’s it.  The doc seems to prefer to hire people with no veterinary background (including the manager).  They don't know it can be better because they've never worked in any other vet practice.  Previous to this practice, I had worked in 4 different practices with 9 vets collectively and not one of them did I ever have to battle daily just to do my basic tech responsibilities.  The docs were always happy to turn over to me what I was qualified to do and what was legal for me to do.  The Saturday before I turned in my resignation, I had both exam rooms prepped for the doc to go in and instead he insisted on "helping" me give SQ fluids to a renal cat patient and remove bandages from a declaw.  Of course we started off the morning behind schedule.  Later that morning, I was at the computer invoicing a client and filling rx's (like we're suppose to do per the manager to save time and keep the doc from giving so many discounts) and the doc had me get up from the computer telling me he would type the rx labels.  Apparently, he has to have it worded exactly his way, even if what someone else puts on the label means the same thing.  Can we say "micromanaging"? Roll Eyes  I don't think he realizes his behavior at all.  However, he should have enough respect for each staff member and position to let his staff help and support him.  That's why docs have a staff.  They can't and aren't supposed to do it all.  By the way, the doc went through about 5 techs before me and he had only had the practice for 13 months.

There was also backstabbing going on.  I felt as if I were back in junior high or high school.  Things I said (I never spoke to anyone but the manager and his wife) got twisted and the original intent was lost by the time it got to someone else (mainly to the doc, the manager, and/or the doc’s wife).  We were not allowed to speak to the doc about anything unless it was medically related (he can't deal with any kind of confrontation or disagreement so he was sheltered by the manager).  However, when I realized they had hired someone else and I realized it was my last day (what could they do-fire me?! Tongue), I did mention to the doc I was disappointed that neither he nor his wife valued or respected me enough to talk with me and here my opinion on matters.  He just stared at me like a deer in the headlights Shocked but I received no response.  From a few things the doc did tell me that last day that the manager said to him, it was a different story than I was getting from the manager.  Instead of asking me, they believed anything the manager or any other staff member said about me.  I busted my a## and jumped through hoops trying to please the manager and the doc and to do my part to make it a great practice but it got me nowhere.  I do miss some of the clients.  I had been told that some were asking about me when I was off.  I had really had a passion for that practice and had been excited to be there.  After awhile, the passion faded.  I kept trying but it was like beating my head against a wall everyday.  Although giving up goes against my nature, it was just time to throw in the towel on this one.  I didn't realize what a cancer the job was until I was out of it.  I do not miss going to work there at all.  I know I'm a good tech and I deserve better and I’ve worked in better situations.  No job or employer is perfect but it can be better than all that.  In all the other four practices put together, I didn't have this bad of stuff to deal with.  This was a first.

I do wish all of them well.  I'm not angry and I don’t have any ill will toward them, just hurt and disappointment, but this too shall heal and pass Cry.  I want the doc's practice to flourish and grow.  In spite of the crazy business philosophy, he is a sweet and compassionate man.  He has a lovely wife and family.  It is my hope and prayer that they find a tech(s) that can push him to change.  I'm just not the tech to do that.  It just isn't worth the battle for me because I know how much better it can be.  I told them that I still wanted to bring my 4 dogs to him and I do because he is a good doc and he is good to his clients, I just can’t work there all the time.  Before I worked for him, he had been my vet several years at another practice before opening up his own.  Personally, I like the doc and his wife, the manager and his wife, who is the receptionist.  However, I just don't believe in doing business the way they do.

I am taking some time off and when I do look again to apply for a job, I am most likely going to look for an AAHA hospital.  I was told by a person at the community college that has the DEVTP that it’s easier to find a doc that will proctor a DEVTP student at an AAHA hospital.  They recommended that I go with an AAHA hospital.

I’m not claiming to be the perfect employee or vet tech by any stretch of the imagination.  I am far from perfect.  I made some mistakes and when I did I was more than willing to tell the truth and take responsibility for my speech and/or actions.  Too bad it wasn’t reciprocating.  I definitely learned a lot from this experience.  I hope they learned some things, too.  Things happen for a reason and God has never left me alone and destitute.  I do have a supportive husband, family, and group of friends surrounding me and I have Vet Tech Stories.  Thanks for listening and allowing me to unburden myself. Grin

Warm regards,
supervettech

P.S. Although I am currently unemployed in the field, I will still be lurking around the vet tech sites.  I want to stay in touch with the profession.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 09:38:49 PM »

Wow! I am sorry this ended with a sour note for you but you sound as if you have a good grasp on it and are being reflective on the whole situation. All you can do now is learn and go forward with your lessons.

AAHA hospitals are good places to be if you want to learn good medicine and hopefully the ones there are keeping up with the rules and regs of an AAHA hospital. They go through some of the most rigorous credentialing and requirements imaginable! If you want to know how a close to perfect in the eyes of the VMB and OSHA would run a hospital, most, not all, but most of these are great. I know of one here that would lose their rating if the AAHA walked in nowadays.

But, just like your now ex-boss and manager, that is no longer my problem.
I hope you find a good place to land soon and I am glad we were here for you to vent about it. It is horrible having to keep  that kind of stress inside of you.
One of these days I will post my Dr. Death story!!

Take care and keep stopping by. Please be good to yourself in the mean time!
Kaberle
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